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(@Maverick)
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It will be a nail in the coffin of my club membeship if I was expected to go by these rules.

 

It is not and will not be anything to do with the club Tom. As I understand it The Poole and District Sea Angling Assc have just asked for our views and input. I believe this is not even a proposal as yet.

 

I personally would object on principle to bag limits unless commercial fishermen where also included within that.

 

There are already rules to deal with RSA's that sell their catch it just needs proper policing. I feel a better way forward would be carcass tagging so each commercially caught fish can be traced from capture to table. That should make it easier to see where the fish are coming from and permit enforcement at point of sale, ie no tagg Mr. chef you



   
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(@Paul J)
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The Poole and District Sea Angling Assc have just asked for our views and input

 

Indeed thats all this is, nothing more nothing less

 

PJ



   
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I have probably missed a point, (it's my age) But are we exploring thoughts on a National ''raft'' of limits or a local one with others? I am suspicious of either, one being the thin edge of a wedge, the other the thick end, both will hurt!! I think Martin makes a great deal of sense for consideration of both. I am very concious of our ''soft underbelly'' sad.gif Derek.



   
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I think a few people are missing the point here.

 

Firstly if agreed it won't be a voluntary agreement. it will in fact be a local byelaw. That will meen it will be illegal for anybody to exceed the agreed quota/limit.

 

Martin

Martin

 

I agree wholeheartedly about if we are subject to bag limits then so should the commercials, but the bit I have saved from your post is the bit I am unsure about.

 

I am sure that Coddy brought it up at the meeting as being a voluntary limit for local clubs to get involved in.

 

So my understanding:

 

1) It's voluntary to take part

2) But once participating, we (members) would be subject to the limits

 

Not withstanding that, I thoroughly agree that if we started something on a voluntary basis it would be very shortly mandatory.

 

Count me out.

 

Tom

 

PS: The tagging system sounds great.



   
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(@Maverick)
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Martin

 

I agree wholeheartedly about if we are subject to bag limits then so should the commercials, but the bit I have saved from your post is the bit I am unsure about.

 

I am sure that Coddy brought it up at the meeting as being a voluntary limit for local clubs to get involved in.

 

So my understanding:

 

1) It's voluntary to take part

2) But once participating, we (members) would be subject to the limits

 

Not withstanding that, I thoroughly agree that if we started something on a voluntary basis it would be very shortly mandatory.

 

Count me out.

 

Tom

 

PS:  The tagging system sounds great.

Tom

 

Read the following passage from Dave



   
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Tom

 

 

This then wouldn't be voluntary if taken forward and passed would mean that all of us would have to abide by the ruling or fall foul of the law.

 

Martin

In which case, your tagging system has to be the only way forward.

 

It can be forged / got round, but surely it is better than wrecking our few days afloat for the sake of some stupid, greedy, unlicensed fisherman.



   
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You don't have to be licenced to sell fish !!! read the bye laws ph34r.gif



   
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You don't have to be licenced to sell fish !!! read the bye laws ph34r.gif

Tom

 

Without reading the byelaws, isn't it that beach anglers or boat anglers in an un powered boat under 6m can legally sell their catch?

 

If so, then why not have a red tag for commercially caught fish and a blue tag for fish "legally sold" by anglers.

These can have reference numbers that can be traced back to individuals.

It's not hard.



   
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(@Paul J)
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These byelaws are not very clear:

 

If you wish to fish commercially (i.e. sell your catch) within the Southern Sea Fisheries District, your vessel must hold a current Southern Sea Fisheries District permit, which will be issued to a vessel providing that:

Application forms can be requested by telephone, post or email. Full contact details can be viewed by clicking here.

On applying for your vessel



   
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Clear as Poole Harbour mud!

The suggestion from Chris Holloway at the PDSA meeting was designed to 'catch out' those who return with boxes of fish (but say they are fishing for their own use i.e. recreational fishing which would include unlicensed netters) by having a local byelaw to limit bag size for all recreational fishing of certain species.

It is an attempt to move from a position of being victims of decisions made by the faceless ones to being pro-active in taking some action that might help local fish stocks. In that respect I admire his viewpoint as he would actually be supporting those who fish legally whether recreational or commercial.

Whether it would get support from the SSFC is debatable but he argues that engagement with the committee is far more likely to have positive, long term outcomes that sitting in our clubs and moaning about how we are being 'done down' all the time. It was quite clear at the meeting with the deputy fisheries officer that despite all our discussions and our angling press the local Sea Fishery Committee is pretty much out of touch with the recreational sea angler's aspirations and thoughts.

The most important point is that we need to tell these people what we think, not at a raucous public meeting but sitting down around the table with some positve proposals--the nature of these proposals need to be agreed by discussion within angling clubs and forums.

Peter



   
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i dont know about out of touch so much as couldnt give a toss !!!! we must remember that the sea fisheries circus consists of councillors who know little of the fishing industry only what they are told by the cfo and the commercial dinosaurs that run the show , and the aformentioned dinosaurs that although they stopped fishing years ago want to stand in the way of change and take things back to how they were thirty years ago in their heyday



   
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