i got it paul
So did I Paul and you also said it would be your last comment 
Welcome Peter
Martin
Yes you obviously have a problem with RSA-UK Paul so come on then what do you see as the problem or problems with the org.
Bob,
Many thanks for the replies and I am impressed with you enthusiasm. As you say, I don't necessarily agree with all of them but if everyone were the same it would be a sad world.
BTW: My last comment was because I recall an article in BFM slating the AT people as being "those men in suits" having discussions with whoever ( I cant recall the exact wording ). I guess UK-RSA are the same
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Bob,
We had a presentation by the AT (Mark Lloyd himself) and indeed we have had a presentation by the IFCA as well.
No problem with consultation here and the discussion was open and frank.
Was UK-RSA not born by people who did not agree with the AT.
PS: Did anyone realise why I mentioned suits ??
I have to say Paul I have yet to meet with anyone who has not got a problem with the Angling Trust. Some have a bigger axe to grind than others none the less during the many debates that I have seen even some of their strongest supporters are at odds with the AT set up. Their own members caused such a fuss that the AT forum was closed down, there was that
Bob, most of us here just wanna fish.
Politics is for the politicians and millitants.
Im taking a back seat from the club at the moment but having browsed the thread I am struck by the fact that sea anglers have made no steps forward in getting unified representation in the last 40 years.
The lessons gained from lets say unions is that united we have power and divided we have nothing but inter organisational squabbling.
All energy is being directed inwards instead of tackling the only real problem facing the sea angler and that is are there actually going to be any fish left to make our sport worthwhile. The rest of it is just claptrap.
Get stuck in behind one organisation warts and all so that we have united representation. As I understand it AT has a voice at government level and is the recognised body for funding.
Seems like a no-brainer to me.
If AT needs to change it aint going to come from outside--it needs to be changed by a large membership applying pressure in the right way--not via meaningless forums.
Now I would just like to go fishing.
PeteSnr
Just to go fishing is what I believe we all want and to be left alone to do just that is how it should be. However there are those that craved for RSA recognition and now we have been recognised. Sadly that means those that feel the need to exploit us or govern us are now on our case.
To simply ignore that fact is fine until you suddenly find the regulation you could have prevented is now about to prevent you and future generations from doing what has hitherto been an unregulated pass time is frankly unacceptable.
For those turned off by politics fine don
(snip) To much goes on behind closed doors and like it or not the head honcho Mark Lloyd has said he
Guys this forum is a vehicle to discuss and put across your points but please be aware you are responsible for what you write. We will take down any comments that others find offensive, they only have to ask.
Please don't turn me into the forum police, take care in what you post.
Martin
Perhaps Mark might like to gag Keith Arthur then. Need I say any more?
Bob I believe you are referring to the article Keith wrote in the Angling Times and a response was forthcoming from the AT as follows:
The Angling Trust would like to stress that sea angling is an integral part of the united, single representative body for ALL anglers. Keith Arthur
Martin I
you obviously have a problem with RSA-UK Paul so come on then what do you see as the problem or problems with the org.
i would rather support an org which has the majority of anglers and our club is affiliated with opposed to a splinter group.
I would rather join an org where they believe that tope should not be killed just to make a record claim. You personally think it is ok to do this I note.
I don't agree that MCZ are a waste of time.
I prefer facts as opposed to heresay and innuendo. ( eg see above posts you didn't even apologise for your misquote ).
For the above reasons I am not interested in your org.
You wished to educate our members. I suggest you have accomplished that now.
Paul you have obviously got a problem with me that was evident before I even knew who you were or the position you hold.
I came on this thread as your poll had been brought to my attention by Peter Russell and as I suspected the rational of those who had already voted had done so without perhaps knowing some important facts, as in bag limits for sea anglers are as pointless as it gets. They would make no difference what so ever in the grand scheme of things and to suggest if we take them the commercials would have to do likewise is ridiculous. The idea doesn
Bob,
I believe you've had your say, it's time to move on to your next victims, im sure there are plenty of other clubs willing to listen,
Im bored of this now
PJ