Dear Bob
I have been watching this thread develop for a few days now
I have been impressed by your passion and the length of your posts
I would be grateful if you could just update me, and let me know what your organisation has achieved in the way of promoting conservation, protecting recreational sea angling, and preserving fish stocks..
I , like many others have signed up to support the ANGLING TRUST and accept that it will take some time to establish credibility and gain influence, especially with european fisheries policy.
If you are able to demonstrate to me that you have had some influence and made a difference to policy, I will consider coming to join you.
Tony
Club Chairman
length of your posts
A long drawn out post doesn't make it a good worthwhile post!
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Hi Tony
Sorry I didn
And how about answering the questions I and others have asked earlier ?
1) How many cod do you estimate RSA took from the brittle stars then ?
2) What is wrong with my calculation re: 2 million ?
3) Where are these "facts" re: sustainable fishing with a ten fold increase in RSA effort ?
4) Why you think our local IFCA needs "sorting out"
Can I add to these.
5) How can you influence on how Sea Angling 2012 project progresses if you have been dismissed from the steering group ?
6) What are the views of the UK-RSA regarding bag limits ?
7) Do you have to wear a suit to go to the meeting with the EU commissioner ? 
I still say fair play to you for being willing to put yourself forward Bob, and I admire your passion and demeanor with your replies .... but .....
I personally feel sick when I see photos of charter boats with the deck covered in dead fish. As much as I did when I saw the recent TV program about discards. Nothing fuels the ANTI fishing brigades fire more than photos of dead fish.
My feelings are that there SHOULD be a limit, although I have absolutely no idea how that could/should be set or policed. So I think we are on opposite tables straight away.
My feelings on the whole commercial/recreational fisherman is a fairly simplistic (nieve) one; Commercial fishermen take fish from the sea for a living, they have invested millions on their trade and pay a heavy price when they get it wrong (sometimes they pay the ultimate price with their lives). We the public demand fish for our tables and we demand it at a cheap price, which means they have to catch more and more and they have to do it as economically as possible. If there was no market then they wouldn't do it.
Recreational Sea Anglers on the other hand do it as a pass time/sport, mainly so we can get a "buzz" by out-witting a fish and we have even started using lighter gear so that the competition is closer and the "buzz" is heightened. How can we complain at being limited just because the commercial guys take what market forces have dictated that they take? or because we only get out once a month/year or whatever.
I personally think that we should limit our bag to personal use, we shouldn't be supplying the neighbourhood or work mates with fish. But if that is what you (or anyone else does) then that is your choice. I won't keep fish just because others do (as was said on another thread recently).
Incidentally; I dont put my fish back because I have to, I put them back because I want to. I had a big smile on my face as I saw a 10LB Bass swim away after release, but thats not to say that everyone feels the same.
1) How many cod do you estimate RSA took from the brittle stars then? At the height I would imagine it to be between six to eight hundred fish a day and the season taking into account the weather a max of twenty days so 1600 fish out of a shoal that numbers many times that amount were it not the case then the catch rate for rod and line would fall.
2) What is wrong with my calculation re: 2 million ? The indication that I got from the article is the area is not dissimilar in size to that of the Brittle Star Ground, hard to equate without the info but I would defiantly question the claim.
3) Where are these "facts" re: sustainable fishing with a tenfold increase in RSA effort? Simple mathematics Paul that is how the scientist do it ie Estimated stock set against known take they do it all the time with the commercial landings and it has been a long excepted fact that the RSA take is less than 2%
4) Why you think our local IFCA needs "sorting out" ? Because Dave Gibson has said as much and he sits on the committee. CFO Iain Carrier has also on more than one occasion been criticized by me over his failure to act on Bass poaching in Langston Harbour the Scallop issue in Poole Harbour and let
Bob,
Many thanks for the replies and I am impressed with you enthusiasm. As you say, I don't necessarily agree with all of them but if everyone were the same it would be a sad world.
BTW: My last comment was because I recall an article in BFM slating the AT people as being "those men in suits" having discussions with whoever ( I cant recall the exact wording ). I guess UK-RSA are the same 
Bob,
Many thanks for the replies and I am impressed with you enthusiasm. As you say, I don't necessarily agree with all of them but if everyone were the same it would be a sad world.
BTW: My last comment was because I recall an article in BFM slating the AT people as being "those men in suits" having discussions with whoever ( I cant recall the exact wording ). I guess UK-RSA are the same
While I have not been impressed with the AT and how they work for
Bob,
Many thanks for the replies and I am impressed with you enthusiasm. As you say, I don't necessarily agree with all of them but if everyone were the same it would be a sad world.
BTW: My last comment was because I recall an article in BFM slating the AT people as being "those men in suits" having discussions with whoever ( I cant recall the exact wording ). I guess UK-RSA are the same
While I have not been impressed with the AT and how they work for
Mother nature seems to be doing a good job lately on controlling bag limits 
Chris RSA-UK was born as a direct result of AT failings and while I would never say never at this time the truth is the AT are struggling to hold things together, particularly on the sea angling side.
Lack of trust, to many of the old guard, lack of consultation in most parts of the country, are just a few complaints levelled at Mr Lloyd. The Yorkshire region is in disarray they are trying desperately to get a South West region set up and have been funded by the MMO to the tune of
Bob,
We had a presentation by the AT (Mark Lloyd himself) and indeed we have had a presentation by the IFCA as well.
No problem with consultation here and the discussion was open and frank.
Was UK-RSA not born by people who did not agree with the AT.
PS: Did anyone realise why I mentioned suits ??