[Closed] Bag Restrictions

you need to be more precise

I have no problem with an 'annual bag limit' applied to the boat at all - I have huge problems with one based on a day, or trip etc

My reasoning is that the latter has absolutely no impact on conservation as a whole.

Then you have the question of whether it applies to the craft or the person?

Finally you would have the ridiculous situation of recreational netting and discards etc

you need to be more precise

 

I have no problem with an 'annual bag limit' applied to the boat at all - I have huge problems with one based on a day, or trip etc

 

My reasoning is that the latter has absolutely no impact on conservation as a whole.

 

Then you have the question of whether it applies to the craft or the person?

 

Finally you would have the ridiculous situation of recreational netting and discards etc

The system currently in place for seatrout and salmon seems to me to be perfectly sensible and practically achievable.

The tiny problem which some may have is that the system relies upon the angler having a licence and it is issued and renewed on the understanding that the angler keeps to the limits (from memory it is something like no more than one fish per trip and a limit on the year).

Personally, I have no problems with a licence provided that it can be shown to provide value for those that pay the fees. Like most I'm buggered if I'm providing an extra revenue stream for the government.

Like others I would consider an annual one based on trust and possibly a seperate scheme for charter boats.

However there are pratical concerns, such as deep water wreck fishing where most Pollack which wont come up alive, deep hooked fish - I'd hate it if we ended up discarding such fish cos we end uo fined if we brought it in to port

Plus how on earth could you inforce it?

I can also see it causing a lot of resentment- certainly when some of the Commercial Bass Boates which fish Portland race (Fair play to them in a way I wouldn't go there in the tiny boats they use ) probably take more Bass in a day than I will in my entire fishing career.

''If I am fishing alongside one of them why should what I can take be limited when they can pull fish in all day?''

However we do have to be sensible with what we take and whenI think the way the Bream Marks get hammered is a bit irresponsible at times(especialy when they are there to spawn) I don't know what its like out of poole but when we used to fish out of portsmouth you could pretty much walk from boat to boat on the favoured Marks.

It would also be nice if certain fish had a zero bag limit (smoothies tope etc)

''The system currently in place for seatrout and salmon seems to me to be perfectly sensible and practically achievable.''

I don't think there is a universal rule for Salmon. Some rivers are Catch and release only.(I believe the Hampshire Avon is catch and release)

I think its was only aceptable to take your First ever Salmon from the river I fished in Scotland but as I only caught 1 the question never arose if I could keep a second!

You can tell the last time I bought a T&S licence!

I believe that you still need to record the number you catch tho'

With all due respect gents.....IMHO....the Salmon and Sea trout issue is small [ no less important I stress ] compared with the Universal issue of sea fishing around our coastline. [ just my opinion you understand... I may be wrong.]

The target species are so specific and the limited access to large numbers makes their case for licence and bag limits much more do-able. There may be some issues for commercials out of some northern and Scottish ports but in general the recreational angler has limited and often controlled access.....

This is a very interesting and emotive thread similar to another ongoing thread today!!

Dave

I have just seen this regarding proposed bag limits that will probably be introduced in Alderney.

http://www.alderney.gov.gg/static/181514280128751399

and specifically

6.Charter fishing vessels, that are not Registered Sea Fishing Vessels, should have a bag limit restricting the catching of Ray, Turbot and Brill to two fish (not per species) in total per person per day to protect stocks. This would require legislation to be introduced under a States of Alderney Sea Fishing Ordinance.

7.All charter fishing vessels to carry log books which can be inspected. This is to ensure that recommendation number 6 is complied with. This would require legislation to be introduced under a States of Alderney Sea Fishing Ordinance.

8.A restriction on the landing on Alderney of more than two fish per person from charter vessels that are not Registered Sea Fishing Vessels.

I don't know if private vessels are included in this

Neal

Am glad this has been raised again following the discussion held at the club meeting several months ago.

I remain convinced that if leading clubs do not lead on this matter, then rules and regulations will be imposed from above, without appropriate consultation, potentially leading to advantages for some sectors over others.

It would be good to have Pete Russell's considered views here, as his earlier comments and experience in such matters are different to mine.

Mike

I have just seen this regarding proposed bag limits that will probably be introduced in Alderney.

 

http://www.alderney.gov.gg/static/181514280128751399

 

and specifically

 

6.Charter fishing vessels, that are not Registered Sea Fishing Vessels, should have a bag limit restricting the catching of Ray, Turbot and Brill to two fish (not per species) in total per person per day to protect stocks. This would require legislation to be introduced under a States of Alderney Sea Fishing Ordinance.

 

 

7.All charter fishing vessels to carry log books which can be inspected.  This is to ensure that recommendation number 6 is complied with. This would require legislation to be introduced under a States of Alderney Sea Fishing Ordinance.

 

 

8.A restriction on the landing on Alderney of more than two fish per person from charter vessels that are not Registered Sea Fishing Vessels.

 

I don't know if private vessels are included in this

 

Neal

Neal

Many here submitted to the consultation process around this.

The bit you seem to have missed is "At present the professional fishermen are required to keep records of their catches which are submitted to Guernsey Sea Fisheries. No record is kept of what fish are caught by charter anglers or amateur anglers. It is felt that it would be impractical to require or indeed

It would also be nice if certain fish had a zero bag limit (smoothies tope etc)

As I understand it, Tope are protected and mustn't be taken (as are several other species).

I am looking to explore the concept of limitations on catches appliable to both commercial and recreational anglers and whether this is acceptable to

recreational anglers.

Thissurvey follows misrepresentation at a national level of what has been suggested.

I am keen to identify the local views on recreational anglers and whether you would accept bag limits if proportionate restrictions were applied to commercial anglers.

Thank you for your responses so far

Tony

Hello guys and thanks for letting me join your ranks even though I'm not a small boat owner though I do get out with a good many that do.

For those that don

Hi Bob and welcome to the forum

I think it very unwise in this day and age to bury your head and say these issues do not affect me and will not take part in any initiatives. Like most things in life you have to make compromises and whilst we all would like to catch fish on every trip, or any fish come to that, we understand that with the current state of sea fisheries some resources are now scarce.

Can I suggest that some of the suggested proposals are simple bag limits on certain species, e.g Bass, Cod, some Rays and skate and I am not suggesting on all fish. Unfortunately many RSA go out and try to fill their freezer with every fish and size and like some commercials keep every fish caught.

If we take Bass as an example, I am sure we as RSA would be happy to keep a couple of Bass for the table and return the rest to fight another day but for many of us to catch a couple of Bass every trip would be great but the reality is we don't or even can't catch fish that regularly. I know some anglers can catch a target species almost every time and well done to them but I am sure they return the majority of fish caught. So my point is if you set a bag limit of say 2 or 3 sizable fish to be caught and kept per angler per day I see no problem, the other advantage of having a bag limit, it allows IFCA officials to check ANY boat to see what has been kept and this would apply to licensed craft as well as the private owner, this would assist the officials in stopping the sale of black market fish from un-licensed fisherman.

I am happy to accept bag sensible limits as it is a hobby for me, but the commercial people have got to play along with similar rules and stop discards. We need to ensure that there are fish for our children and our children

If it would help the fish stocks I think most RSA fisherman would agree with a bag limit but it would not make the slightest difference if the commercials don't play ball

I don't think that their many RSA that keep all the fish they catch and quite a lot of

people that catch bass put them back .

mark w