Club rules & Flounder Bash

As far as I know, the Sept comp is the only "Open" comp.

I think the small change to the rules to allow Kayaks to fish in pairs makes sense.

Hi Paul

Our flounder comp is for club members only so your friends would not be able to fish the comp unless they joined. Our only competition thats open for none members is our Open Specimen comp held in September this year.

Re: 2 in a boat rule. If fishing a competition your crew members do not have to be club members however their catch is not counted. The 2 man rule is purely for safety and nothing else. Not sure how this would or indeed could work with a kayak?

We have pondered over kayakers for a while and even asked a former forum member if he would be interested in fronting a kayak section of the club, he declined.

Personally I am not against a kayaking section but am a little apprehensive about the implications for the club. A lot of the apprehension is probably down to ignorance so perhaps you could sell the idea to us

Re: proposals. Any member can bring forward a proposal to the AGM (April meeting) You would though need to put if forward by the February meeting so the membership and committee can consider it prior to voting.

Hope that helps

Martin

I think the idea of Yacks in the club is good. But what is "fishing in pairs"? Would you be in radio contact, sight of each other, attached to the same anchor?

I think it is open to discussion as that condition in a comp could be abused and we wouldn't want anything happen to a club member, especially in a comp.

Perhaps a Yak run through and demo (bring one to a meeting) woudl be interesting.

Rob

What is fishing in pairs.

Thats a very good question, one that needs to be debated and agreed on (even assuming we get enough interest), personally i would say 50m, as you are in little danger of getting trapped under one, only stuck in the water beside one (or taken by the current downstream when the Yak is at anchor.

Im not the pushy type and as said im only floating an idea, or two.

As for a Demo, give me some time to have a think about that, im not averse to the idea of bringing mine up with some of my kits to let you have a look around it, might make for an interesting evening for everyone.

A very interesting thread.

It would be good to have a kyaker bring his equipment to a meeting and give the members present, a presentation on what rig is carried and how they are fished etc

A backdrop of some of the recent reports would also be interesting.

As to the proposal

It is well worth bringing to the next AGM, but lay it out. so that there is no doubt about what is considered pair fishing. and what is a mimimum standard of safety equipment to be carried. and clothing worn.

If in a boat the second person does not have to be a member or even a fisherman.

So perhaps nor would the second Kyaker.

My only concern is the safety aspect.

As for the Flounder comp and comparing catches, nothing to stop you and your friends fishing on the same day and then reporting your successes on here to compare notes.

Or you could launch near the weigh in position and bring your fish to the scales, I am sure nobody would mind an unofficial second weigh in.

Just my thoughts

Charlie

A very interesting thread.

PJ

When is the flounder bash please, Derek.

http://www.pbsbac.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=8326

A pinned thread in comp talk has all the dates Del.

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Only borrowed Trev,

It would be good if this subject can be debated through to a conclusion and a consensus reached to whether we have a proposal that can be put to the commitee and voted on at the AGM.

Thats not until April so we should be able to flush out all the issues and come up with a practical solution that everybodys happy with by then?.

As Martin said the over-riding issue that the commitee will be concerned about is safety and whether the committee is willing to take on increased risk if thats what it amounts to.

Some other items for discussion would be:

Does the club want a kayak section and how would it effect the club as a whole - would it cause divisions or add to our already diverse group?

How will it effect competitions?

How many other rules need to be changed to accommodate single passenger craft?

Are there any objections? on what basis?

This could be a fundemental shift from where we are now so i'd like to get as much honest feedback as possible from as many different people as possible so we can gauge iinterest and allow ZED to decide if it's worth pursuing. By the way thanks for raising it, i'll stay out of it as i have a vested interest being a keen yaker myself

Cheers

PJ

Paul,

Good points,

only when the resolution is duly voted on, I hope someone remembers to write it into the constitution and put it in a safe place (i.e on the website)

Did the mamouth vote of two AGM's ago ever get written as above.....?

I think we tried to define what constituted a boat and how many club members needed to be on board etc etc.

The three hook rule we voted on for club comps seems to have been forgotten -(re the last open comp rules), and I'm not sure what was voted on now it was so long ago.

Would some kind sole help, either produce the minutes of the last but one AGM or show me where this was written down ?

yours cheekily

Paul

Hi Paul

Minutes of the 2007 AGM are still on the web site

http://www.pbsbac.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=7229

for the 2008 minutes look here

http://www.pbsbac.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=7561

Club constitution is here

http://www.pbsbac.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=7230

Regarding the 3 hook rule I sent a proposal in but it was amended and agreed by your good self.

The constitution only advises that there is a minimum of two people on a boat.

What did surprise me was the low number of views for the minutes of meetings and AGM's.

I personally would like to see kayaks included into the club as I feel it would make the club stronger, attract more members and may even bring improved fishing skills which can be passed on to other club members.

I do think however that there would be a need for a kayak owner to be on the committee so that, "that" group of members can have their voices heard at committee level, they may well hold another post as well.

I don't see any problem in kayaks fishing our club competitions with the proviso of a minimum of two kayaks fishing within, say, 250yrds of each other for safety reasons.

After all we are the Poole Bay "Small Boats" Angling Club

Dave

The constitution is for the governance of the club only so competition rules should not be written in there. Competition rules are normally written on the annual competition sheet although I think they should be available as a separate document and stored on here somewhere

Martin

What a great discussion!

I would seriously support a kayak section - as stated with adequate provision for safety. I do feel that the safety aspect needs careful attention but needs to be heavily weighted toward the individual in charge of the craft. We have had many discussions about this in the past and the consensus that the skipper of each boat takes ultimate responsibility should have continuity across the board IMHO.

I would suggest that the details of sea safety in kayaks so far as the club is concerned is discussed and presented to the club by experienced kayakers, who in turn are properly represented at committee level. So you first have to create a kayak section, and elect a rep onto committee etc etc.

(and I know we haven't created a 'stick & string' section, but we are now talking about 'one man craft' and not just the method of propulsion).

Perhaps a new thread needed............

nudge, nudge.............